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What you’ll hear in this epsiode:

• The role that genetics, environment, and other factors play in individualized health programs  
• Why trauma is at the center of physical health issues 
• Ways to adjust your daily routines to improve long-term, holistic wellness

Ryan Frisinger wears many hats: biohacker, techno-shaman, and visionary. He is also the founder of Kosmic Animal, a genetics consulting company that designs individualized health programs using an approach as multidisciplinary as Frisinger’s expertise.

Many testing companies use genetic material in a one-dimensional and prescriptive way, but for Frisinger genetic data is only one thread woven through the much larger tapestry of a person’s wellbeing. While he does use genetic information to understand what specific foods, medicines, or processes his clients should incorporate into their lives, he puts a greater emphasis on how this data is contextualized in the minutiae of their daily routines.

“It’s the everyday that has a profound impact on your wellbeing,” he explains, listing cultural context, familial context, and circadian biology (the timing of your behaviors and processes) as a few of the many components that comprise the “everyday” experience he considers when creating his wellness programs.

Usually, Frisinger’s clients are coming to him as a last resort, experiencing intense and chronic pain that traditional doctors and medicines have not been able to relieve. Intake at Kosmic Animal involves diving deep into the “multiple text” of the client, understanding their genetics, bio-markers, personal narrative, familial epigenetics, environment, and even astrology. By looking at multiple timelines along these different avenues, Frisinger is able to identify patterns and ultimately locate the events that triggered the onset of symptoms in his clients. Often, these are traumatic events or stressors.

While most consider trauma to be very intense, dramatic life experiences, Frisinger explains that trauma happens to everybody in life and “you can’t fix chronic disease without contending with core trauma.” Working through trauma can be accomplished in many ways, and Frisinger considers these events when creating his client’s programs too.

“Getting sick is a wake up call for loving yourself and finding authenticity,” Frisinger says, encouraging his clients to “do less and be more,” rather than exclusively pursue external validation and optimization. “Being a slacker on occasion is definitely worthwhile if it’s intentional,” he advises – and that’s a wellness tip that fits every lifestyle.

Listen to the full podcast to get actionable tips on how to establish healthy daily rhythms, create routines that benefit overall wellbeing, and engage with the natural environment.

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Host: Alli Waddell

Guest: Ryan Frisinger

Transcript:

this is a founding media podcast welcome to the balanced bad assery podcast your weekly fix of a wellness wisdom I am your host alley waddell. this week we got to sit down with Ryan Frisinger of the cosmic animal we talked about environment trauma what it does your body how you’re going to fix it and how to literally do less and live more so here’s my combo with Ryan Risinger the super excited to have Ryan Risinger here today to talk about environments and how important having a healthy environment is not only just for your personal health but for your wellness and for you to be able to thrive because as you can imagine if you live in a should environment your life’s pretty shitty so Ryan introduce yourself to the bass brigade plans

hello everyone thank you Ally for having me on my name is Ryan I run a genetics consulting service called cosmic animal and it’s a fairly unique thing because I die really deeply into people and kind of contextualize genetics in a very different way than anyone that I know of in the United States and as we talk about environment today we’ll talk about why genetics mean a lot when we talk about contacts in geography and place and time of day and season and kind of while those things are kind of the things that people skip over as they search for esoteric reasons why they’re not doing well and it tends to be more every day problems that are kind of reprogramming their physiology yeah and that’s something that I really connected with when I first actually I heard Ryan on stage two or three years ago it paleo a fax and really was talking about kind of plant in general environment and how that’s impacting us and how us even just as a society we’re not really looking at that and so why the hell it’s no surprise then that we’re not looking at our own environment if we’re not even thinking about the global environment in which we live and that’s what I really was so intrigued by because you have this way in which to take a very high level view of things and at the same time explain them and put them in actionable steps for people in the every day because as you said it is the every day in which you’re living in and people want to like do these big giant sayings and it’s this and it’s that you’re like actually it’s the small my new show of fine details that you’re missing that can really help you so kind of give me your general first kind of definition of what you would say would be somebody’s kind of environment what would that what would that all entail and then how do you how do you help people understand the importance of that area so I kind of do that in reverse

okay I think the most important thing to understand is we’re in an era of individualized medicine personal medicine and equals one bio hacking and the problem is where in a culture that has a lot of problematic kind of things that it said into its architecture and so when I start working with people we first talked about the cultural context and then we look at the familial contacts and start on pack all of that because that’s what’s interfacing with the genetic material so when you think of environment environment really should just be thought of the information is coming on the body so that’s the place that you live the sights and sounds and the things that you kind of generally surround yourself in in your everyday life so when people talk about it in terms of like circadian biology were talking about light and dark periods were talking about how much ambient noise is in your environment during the day we’re talking about how much you’re in vehicles the types of food that you eat so pretty much anything that’s coming into the body should be considered environment we’re not just talking about landscapes are kind of relationships were talking about those global informational feeds that are coming into the body which are continuously programming the the jeans and the cells in the body to react and do certain things yeah and I love us to go or you to go into a little more depth of I think for a lot of people that’s even like a aha moment that they met may have never thought of their like what do you mean things are influencing my jeans because I think when you learn in biology when you’re in seventh during your like jeans do this and that’s how it you know I was born as blue eyes there shall I have blue eyes for the rest of my life and and what you really explain to people is like your genes are turning on and off all the time and shifty in and can can do different things depending on what inputs they’re getting

yeah absolutely so the genes are really an interface that determining phenotypes of you took the genetic blueprint any imported into different geographies physiologically whatever let resemblances but you would not have the same person he he so when we look at kind of jeans and epigenetics it is an epigenetic reality that we live in the problem is is that epigenetics is not guaranteed physiologically so there are pathways in the body that either work and they don’t and so when they’re inundated by environmental mismatches over time the epigenetics kind of falls apart see do you end up and more of these deterministic expressions of genes the thing also understand about genes it’s a very gendered way of understanding it so and science when you look at the language of genetics it’s very masculinized and jeans are seen as these progeny eating forces that generate people on the reality is jeans are subservient to cells and the proteins in the body have to really folder order for genetics to express themselves so there’s a lot of ways in which we’re conceptualize even in genetic material is highly problematic when we talk about kind of the everyday experiences of a person in the environment so when I talk to somebody what we’re looking at is the long history of a person through time and we’re looking at the places where sunlight is no longer impacting your physiology appropriately where non not not natural forms a light electromagnetic radiation and how all of those things are kind of coming through how much water is in the body how well your your mineral status is in the room how mineralized your all your vitamins statuses are and we’re looking at that first and foremost because the body’s location in time and space is dependent upon circadian signaling so that’s kind of the place the star and we sort of value waiting your health in your life if you’re not well you don’t want to start with your symptoms you want to start with your location in time and space which is one of my waking one of my sleeping in my drinking water my eating seasonally kind of where I am I telling my body that it is in any given time and then looking at sort of the genetics down the line to look at how the stress responses interact with the environment itself because that’s typically what happens the circadian biology gets mismatched and then you have a stress response that turns on the than the grades that biochemical outcomes of the body that represents epigenetic potential

yeah and and Collette who who is actually going to be on balance bad astri it has worked with Ryan she’s one of my best friends she has a tumor she’s been working you know to try to you know he’ll let herself for a long time and it was so fascinating to actually get to witness somebody that I love in a very close to to go through Ryan’s process and it is a different process than any process that you will ever that most people have ever heard of two can you kind of walk us through and I know it’s super individualized but how windy people tend to kind of come to you as kind of a consultant okay and then how does that process look like I mean you said right now you know you go through but even talking about your intake process and why why you feel like it’s so important to to ask questions that most people understanding health are not asking okay so I’m kind of the last resort for most people so I would say ninety percent of my clients are people that are in late stage chronic disease processes late stage cancers they’ve seen forty plus doctors and they’re not getting results and there’s so they’re willing at that point to kind of take a different approach the genetics kind of brings people through but it’s typically people that have run out answers and require a much deeper look into the person’s going to total self in order to start time back what’s going on I also work with some NBA players and so professional athletes that’s a small fortune

so we talk about what I do in terms of intake it’s really an assessment of what I call the multiple text of a person so biomarkers genetic documents the narrative that the person uses to describe their life how it’s unfolding we look at familial thing so the epigenetic patterns of the family and then I’m also going to look at things like astrology and other things if I if that person is open to it I’m open to those types of things all look at all these different variables and start to look for the different tax saying the same thing and so were the stories are lining to try to impact the root cause of thing so we talk about genetics it’s important understand about it is when you see these genetic reports that come out into these algorithms they don’t mean a lot in and of themselves so you could have a handful of mutations but unless you’re looking deeply at whether they are truly expressing themselves note intervention should be based on that alone so I care most about this thing that’s a time line and it’s sort of your of conception birth to present day and all of the major events that occurred physical injuries emotional injuries dreams that require lots of things that just kinda have enough meaning to grab your attention that you fold them in your story and then we start to look at the patterns and you start to see lots of patterns around certain ages and lifetime certain relational kind about comes in and that starts to be the locus from which I start to understand how the body is breaking down in response to stress is in life and then I’ll look at lots of genetic material and then whether it’s been impacted by common infections like Lyme disease Epstein Barr and I look for kind of long global historical changes and patterns in the blab biomarkers and all that kind of stuff so it’s depending on the person sometimes I have a single lab sometimes I have thousands of pages a labs and images but generally speaking the process is the same and it’s really just trying to triangulate to find what the core problem is in the start working on it and typically it’s something that has begun in the early childhood this just unfolding itself presently in the symptoms are now worse enough to get the attention of the person but it didn’t start recently

yeah it’s usually a decades old by the time it’s bad enough to go seek help yeah and that’s one thing that was fascinating going you know witness seen Collette’s process was there were some stuff going on with their genetically there’s definitely some stuff going on with her energy systems in our circadian rhythms which she’s kind of been you know she’s educated so she’s been aware of but then the one thing that was like both of us were like oh my gosh we get we we didn’t realize that was the emotional triggering component you know she had of severe break up at the exact time that then this tumor manifested and that was something that was amazing for both of us we were both there we knew we knew when it happened but we had never until she talked to really put that together and I think that’s a huge thing that most people don’t ever think about is like one emotional event and how does how does a motional triggering and trauma play into this whole environmental and how your genes are expressing intro there and how does disease happen in the body it’s a super important questions so two thirds of Americans score on a system called the adverse childhood experience system high enough to guarantee autoimmune process is active by the age of thirty so two thirds of our country has enough trauma emotionally to start expressing autoimmunity so it’s a ubiquitous staying in our culture the problem is that the the expressions of it are fairly subtle so typically viral infection is the major thing that slayers around ships in the emotions in and there are a lot of ways in which the physiology even if you’re eating really healthy diets for instance there’s people that don’t tolerate soul for is an example that’s in leafy greens and really healthy foods that’s enough to trigger fighter flight on a regular basis and people on it changes the heart rhythms but typically you’ll see as a pattern like the ages of twenty seven twenty eight and most people’s lives are where you start to see manifestations of emotional injury and astrologically that’s the Saturn return so the Saturn return happens every twenty eight years and there’s a lot of clearing that happens during that time work life family that tends to devastate people physically so I would say that probably seventy percent of people I work with twenty eight is a really common age to fall apart and sometimes it happens earlier

but the problem of trauma is that it sets us up in a lot of ways that it’s the it’s not good for a long term also it gets us it used to things like adrenalin and norepinephrine coursing through her body which can make us heart it make it hard to relax and it kind of makes it hard for life to register unless it’s at its extremes so that’s kind of a big thing and when you start to do trauma work the problem with it is those chemicals downregulate and so you actually get depressed before you get better so this is also why trauma therapies are also things that people kind of stay away from one because talk therapies and area their visit don’t focus on some addicts are not typically that good at getting rid of it but you also feel worse for fear of time but will there is more the emotions are molecules and there’s a lame Candace per to read a famous book about this the molecules of emotion so as long as their their their programming you to be in a certain state and it because it’s kind of a head to toe a red mia and the physiological systems especially in the heart and then when you put that in a rhythmic kind of relationship to the environment those intersections of those to kind of imbalances or what tend to generate a lot of poor health outcomes but you can’t fix chronic disease without contending Troy trauma it’s impossible so that’s kind of the big thing most western doctors even the natural past don’t wanna deal that one they don’t have the tools so it’s really not their fault but it’s very difficult and I would say on average women generally speaking are more willing to face it the mails that I work with are unwilling to ever acknowledge you know they’ve always kind of compartmentalized in turn very rigid and and kind of protect themselves against it but it has to be dealt with and less that person’s willing to just constantly bandage up the problems and you can get away with that

that’s where things like bio hacking fall into place means of my acting is generally seen as is really cool performance oriented thing but in most cases it’s managing yourself together to compensate for an imbalance life yeah so that’s kind of where we get away with that the reason why you treat the trauma is when you get to the physiological the the infectious stuffing you resolve it that person can actually retain their structural integrity without taking supplements constantly and eating clean diets so we want to do that work but it’s difficult and there’s not a person I worked with the doesn’t have trauma scores that are sufficient enough to generate these really poor health outcomes yeah there’s a few things in their first stuff my life completely fell apart at twenty twenty eight that’s why I left I mean that’s basically when I blew up my life the first time and then Ryan Ryan actually was recommended me to I would say probably one of the most transformational modalities of my life which is EMDR which has transformed how I am as a human I mean I think on the same levels as all of the personal work and psychedelic work that I’ve that I’ve done but I think in an even more powerful actionable way and was somebody that I just am so over the moon in life probably if blown up her practice I’m like nobody can make an appointment with her because I’m we’ve booked out but can you explain what MD are is in kind of why why it’s important you know it’s a somatic therapy

but yes the person referring to is Leslie Larson EMDR as eye movement desensitization re patterning it’s a somatic therapy Leslie practices a version of a call natural processing so it’s a little bit different but essentially you track the eyes are tracking a queue that’s kind of the major way or there’s vibrating handhold vibrate right left or is Leslie does its tapping the knees right left the purpose of it is essentially to kind of hit Matiz the critical mind in order to start diving into the body itself in walking you within a certain proximity to a traumatic event we’ve both been through these therapies and its profound because once you witness it your supported through it the body actually releases it down and it doesn’t have that hold anymore so when you think about even looking into that space it doesn’t make you contract or have feel the somatic kind of experiences that overwhelm you that cause you to flee psychologically so the only therapies I’ve seen that work well a trauma or EMDR and it’s very fast yeah doesn’t take that much time and and it’s not about the narrative really you know that’s not what you’re there for your really there to dive and I also like trauma release exercises because you can do those on your own in between it speeds up the process mammals have an inborn mechanism to release trom minutes the tremor response it’s just we’re able to consciously override that so when people laugh at animals that fall on the ground and shake after their escape predators we should probably be doing similar things after really dramatic upsets one day Alex about trauma for forget it trauma is not always like an assault or a bad accident

yeah traumas very every day so I I would there’s a story that I’m fascinated by the stand Groff here listeners may know know a lot about he treated a man in Germany he had sixty LSD psychotherapy sessions he had an affinity for each tracking partners who tried to murder him he had been his seven of his previous romantic partners to try to take his life and he was also kind of a mass generally speaking he kept doing these LSD therapy is no change then I was fifty first session he had an experience of himself at around the age of six months in a stroller in a field and his parents were about a hundred feet away and I cal came up and looked him in the face he saw that and all those behaviors stopped so a lot of times trauma when we’re young is a misunderstanding it’s not understanding what’s happening internalizing and usually not having the capacity to to vocalize needs and to kind of get some contacts and those things start to build greater and greater traumas that then we recognize but I’ve seen a lot of trauma that’s not really that bad on the surface and that’s also the problem with that is that of the get over it right now but it’s not sent me get over and trauma happens all of us of this idea that summer traumatized and summer not as a fantasy world traumatized yeah and you can look at the effects of it when you watch people age their time yeah and how well they’re living their life yeah I I think that’s a big thing that I talk to people about they think that trauma is my dad burning me with cigarettes and want to be in the basement and it’s like my mom was late picking me up from school you know when I didn’t know where she was and I was sick you know like it’s the small mom you know and when you use the word micrographs and but it’s kind of like the small stuff that you just you did not have the capacity to deal with that at the time it gets locked in your nervous system

and then it’s so fast I mean going through EMDR was just this fascinating for somebody who’s been so disconnected you know I struggled with body dysmorphia and and all kinds of like dissociative issues with my body and then to go into such a body centered practice roomy even though I may be body centered person but connecting my brain to my body was not not something that I normally did and I mean just I mean we’ve been we’ve been we’ve been and then an hour later me trying to trigger things that would trigger so quickly and not be able to even go there was a lake was the manager I mean it really did feel feel very very quick for how how long I’ve been holding on to so many things and I don’t have any like crazy you know more trauma than any kid raised in you know middle America kind of trauma so what are some ways that you feel like I know you what you do is so specific to the person but what would you say are some of the key environmental things that most people maybe are not focusing on that they could start to just bring some awareness and some attention to that can probably help most of the population a lot of it’s really just getting your daily rhythms kind of in particular ranges so eating and what can restricted windows preferably diurnal leading so eating during the daytime only you trying to have consistent way can sleep time doing these are very common things that people talk about but they’re super important looking at the food that you eat the seasonality of it matters a lot so you can actually record circadian rhythm just by eating foods that are not in season because those foods of information inside of them so more carbohydrates in the spring and summer and less in the winter and you know kind of changing our four written lining up those oscillations the other thing is wifi radiation

so EM maths are for a long time I thought they were very overdetermined and kind of was suspicious of the conspiracy theories around them well star looking into the more in this is very important so there’s something called an endogenous human retrovirus that exist in pretty much every human they were used by our genes evolutionarily to kind of of off more quickly in the environment well turns out they’re activated by wifi radiation and so as we went from three G. to four G. networks we raise the amount of radiation by about eighty five percent as we go to five G. as eighteen T. already has we’re likely to start to see a lot more cancers and auto immunity very quickly especially in younger ages because these retroviruses are being active to give me a sense of this a seven minute phone call with the person as obscene bar on the iPhone will reactivate the obscene bar so one of the things that I like to say is you know airplane mode on the phones after we shutting off wifi router is because what the wifi radiation does is it makes the water in the body unstructured and so it causes chaos in the water body which doesn’t allow the cells to take nutrients in and out of themselves so that’s that’s a big one that I’m concerned about as far as how you mitigate EMF there’s all these technologies it’s it’s Dave debatable whether they’re being neutralized but that’s a huge one and the light that you take and I’m not suggesting you go out and buy the orange glasses because if a pan prick of light gets around them you’re kinda negating that but really just matching your your activity in eating to the time when the sun is in the environment and there’s ambient light going to bat is certain time trying to room to not eat for twelve to fourteen hours a day so you can activate autophagy and all those things minimizing devices on the body and that’s kind of a place to start \

eating seasonally and taking a break and and really taking stock and and where you are every day it mentally at night so one of the things I tell my clients I know that we’ve gotten you fully to where you need to be when you can sit in the dark by yourself alone and not have to be anywhere else and if you cannot do that it’s unlikely that were there and that’s one thing so that’s kind of a big thing to give you a sense of how these environmental mass mismatches are affecting five years ago my average age of my practice was forty seven forty eight now it’s twenty four and the reason for that is I have just as many seven year olds but now I have four five and six year old the dementia and Alzheimer’s symptoms and other things and so that to me is a testament to how much this environmental men’s matches growing and how disconnected we are from the natural environment that has an immediate ability to retain the brand so what I would say also is to get out in nature forget about no trope IX and things to calm the mind actually just go take a walk in the woods it’s does it much more effectively were at the Jack the design to do that so lots of things like that and really saying no to the kind of Donna treadmill that a lot of people get on of optimization and living on the mountain top at all times is a really sets you up to never be able to come down and find the kind of expansiveness in the mundane in reality that is here but I I see kind of our culture especially in the world I’m in is all about being on that mountain top PA constantly we’re not designed to be there and in fact we don’t need to be there to be happy but that’s the big longer term work is to settle into these daily rhythms find enjoy within those constraints and then try to unfold more depth in the day every day rather than having to constantly get on the top of things and find those peak experiences

that’s the biggest thing that I see is that pleasure seeking just rex people yeah and we’ve talked to at that in depth of ours is just like people that are so so stuck on that I have to do more I have to be better optimize optimize optimize optimize and they can never sit you know and like that’s one of the things that I coach clients from the very beginning is like ninety five percent of my clients I need you to sit and breeze and until you can do that we’re gonna start well I’m sure we’ll just sit here like all sit here with you or you will have to figure it out because if you can not sit and and just even just Bernie’s even if your mind at the beginning is rattle rattle rattle lake we got to start at the base mode which is like so I love that you share stuff that feels for so many very basic and they’re like well of course they need to do this and I’m like what are you doing that like this with the amount of adults that I have to say that that you you need to set yourself a bad time I feel like a nanny it like I’m like do you have a bad time there like now and I’m like get you have your seven year old has a bad time why don’t you why I definitely in the bad cop mostly fell like a grandfather or something but yeah I I think also to your point though the reason why we can’t be still as that traumas there so you I imagine I know with myself the more that I did the MDR along with all the other work similar to yours the more I could just kind of hang out and be and I didn’t know in it wearily I lost interest in things like exercise and a lot of the things that I filled my time with it I’m not saying do that but I’m saying that a lot of that constant motion is an avoidance of things and that’s very obvious but it’s not as obvious as it is when you start doing the work in you find how easy it is when you resolve the trauma to be president rather than trying to be present going around the trauma which is a constant kind of battle in of itself but that’s my whole fucking thirty five years it was like was like faux well never say can’t stop won’t stop and now to you know instead of do just be you know the amount the amount of fees and relaxation that I’ve found now that I can actually sit in like be okay in the every day and like I don’t even want to go out anymore and I don’t give a shit about all the shit that I used to pretend matters you know what it mattered in matters so I could shut my fucking brain off and not process anything and I could now myself to a point where I didn’t have to do with any my shit and now they’ve Sir deal that I was like you know what I really like making dinner and hanging out my house that’s what I like and have been real in depth conversations with people not in some noisy bar or I can’t even hear myself think you know it’s it’s been a fascinating self exploration and so I just really appreciate that you’re on your own team do less do S. be more one of the themes are big enough to know what you’re saying

I mean I got chronically sick kind of as a result of running for my life in trying to do too many things but I think cried getting sick is also sort of the wake up for loving the self and finding authenticity and unfortunately that’s the hardest way to go about it but I think that that’s really why a lot of this happens I don’t believe that people manifested as he is I’m not in the victimization of people that that get contract really bad things but the way in which we set our life that negates kind of the self love and externalize all of our kind of validation plays and all this as well and it’s strange because our culture is not set up to reward it’s almost like all of the kind of presence practices have been appropriated even by the bio hacking world to the point where they’ve been turned into commodification exercises that for make it even more distorted so it soon heart also to do this in the context of our culture because there’s there’s not a lot of reward for others an essay I love called quitting the paint factory on the virtues of idleness they came out in Harper’s in two thousand four and I looked at what primates actually do and it’s just land trees essentially the most of their life and living in nature and kind of not doing anything and I’m not saying you’re promoting that but as an Austin native slacker being a slacker on occasion is worthwhile specially with intentional

I love that all right we’re going to go and do a few rapid fire questions are you ready do you have a severe an animal yeah what is a possum that doesn’t mean I have entered now what is one thing that you used to believe that you no longer believe wow that’s a tough one this is a very personal and probably that that my impoverished a brain the poverty that I came through the limits me and a lot of ways that that I’ve found that it doesn’t and so I grew up extremely poor and and I had certain things that I shot for in many things that I did not so I was kind of limiting my horizons at all times yeah unconsciously yeah that feeds into my dad’s thing that anybody that has money is an asshole I had that I had that deeply offended in my brain that case mean broke for a long time I like maybe shouldn’t believe that other way then going to have any money okay final questions a two parter what advice would you give your younger self and you can tell me how old he is and then what advice do you think your ninety year old self would give you today

the advice I give to my younger self is just to to relax and to appreciate all the things that made me who I am in unique so my body my mind to my background because I spent a lot of time trying to be somebody else and it caused a lot of suffering in now as I said more self acceptance I found that my life is the people in my life and everything about it is better and I could I had a long time ago and also come a second piece of that is to listen to those little voices that that are persistently knocking at the door and to not make them go away and try to will myself in a direction that that I wasn’t supposed to go that would save a lot of heart ache ninety year old so probably to to live every day with a lot more intentional kind of Ardmore intentional living less fear and to kind of focus on the small things more intimacy more idleness doing things the that have absolutely nothing to propel me for a bit that make me happy he that’s kind of it for me that’s playing basketball watching basketball beyond the jams and kind of bringing those parts of myself back that I kind of turned off when I turned it in twenty five twenty six that are now coming back and kind of causing a minor mid life crisis but but yeah I just to to to live more for the things that you’re going to regret not doing and to take it serious to take life here is not to the point of not living it but to to see today is a kind of a not a given thing and did that for me to tell people how I feel about him they could be with the advice of my nine years of to be more vocal about my affections

yeah well I think we can all all work on that and I do think that that’s just such a good lesson for everybody is like I’m a big fan of not taking life too seriously but that you got this one second chance better better go do some shit you love and laugh a lot more yeah so thanks Ryan I really appreciate it but well I’m ready to walk in the woods how bout you or maybe you’re actually in the woods listen to this podcast that would be awesome wasn’t that amazing I just want to think Ryan again for this fantastic conversation in sharing in time and space with us on balance that out sorry the balance bad as three team includes me alley with L. producer Mariah Gosset an audio engineer Jake Wallace thank you everyone a founding Austin for your support remember you can always follow me at alley what dell A. L. L. I. W. A. D. D. E. L. L. and if you’re enjoying the show come on leave me five stars that would be on some or review me on iTunes that helps other folks find me and be more badass and who doesn’t want to more bad as people in the world thanks again for listening