What you’ll hear in this episode:

• whurley’s “secrets” for success
• how whurley got his start
• advice for founders from whurley

Willam Hurley, or “whurley” as he is commonly known, is a serial entrepreneur in Austin, Texas. But not only that, he’s a successful serial entrepreneur! After starting his career working for companies like Apple and IBM, he decided to strike out on his own and venture into the startup world. His first company, Chaotic Moon, a creative technology studio focused on software, mobile development and design. He sold that company to Accenture in 2015. Then he started Honest Dollar, a platform that provides small- and medium-sized businesses with an affordable 401(k) alternative. In just a year, Goldman Sachs acquired the company.

His latest endeavor is called Strangeworks. Strangeworks is a quantum computing company that whurley says will essentially make it easier for everyday people to learn more about quantum computing and put it to good work. Unlike his previous projects, Strangeworks is both a product and a company.

“The Strangeworks Quantum Computing Platform is a hardware-agnostic, software inclusive, collaborative development environment that brings the latest advancements, frameworks, opensource, and tools into a single user interface,” the Strangeworks website explains.

Listen to our seventh installment of Masters & Founders to hear more about whurley’s diverse entrepreneurial journey and how he’s trying to “do good” with his companies. You’ll also hear about all his “secrets” to success. If you like what you hear, be sure to share this episode with a friend or colleague!

Masters & Founders is a founding_media podcast created in collaboration with foundingAUSTIN.

Hosts: Dan Dillard & Ryan Francis

Guest: William Hurley

 

Transcript:

where do we start with William Hurley calmly known by his old unix username whurley he started is professional career apple followed by IBM he then became both the master and founder and a string of successful start ups were you seen struggles failures and successes he told the story best so let’s jump right into our conversation with whurley

thank you all for joining us founding Austin masters and founders live podcast I wanna say thank you to all of our sponsors on Facebook live Waterloo Waterloo kind bar didn’t have tiny house coffee still Austin in the Russell collection fine art gallery which is where they were so kind to let us do this today we have William Hurley who is an entrepreneur tech tech genius I would save after after looking up what he does and and were all really really excited to learn what he has to say how are you doing today I’m doing great thanks for having me yeah of course of course so let’s dive right in for those of you that don’t know I’m gonna give William the opportunity to tell us of your story from the get go wherever you want to start so I mean you know my entrepreneurial story started a you know I was sorry my career that apple was working at IBM decided you know I’ve been in a project was making a lot of money I thought I should make that money and join my first start up that everybody does we join it and the horrible and you know everything crashes and I was like man why did I give up my job and have him but I really liked it in a few years later I I want to move the company here in town called cat moon and that was acquired by center and I love Calhoun started if indicum to call honest all it was acquired by Goldman Sachs and twenty sixteen and I’ve been a Goldman Sachs and I’m leaving and starting comma third entrepreneurial venture a which is a new company called strange works and does entrepreneurship run in your family or is this just embedded right right in your blood from a I have no idea how any of it is happening that is not a I mean it you know the whole like the attitude of like getting it done and all that runs in my family but you know and and my dad did start a couple businesses but this is a kind of a whole New World for me every time you start you know like a starting the new strange works company and I was told you he really almost be so easy now because you’ve got like access to money and you’ve got money and you’ve got all these connections ago so it’s like it’s just as difficult every single time sure with or without I’m sure money is one is always a problem right yes

so I have a question regarding that initial phase we were from IBM apple IBM in the first start up at what point do you say I want to be a founder visit well your IBM or apple or was it once you in the start of world so some kind of the anti founder founder so and I I don’t I I am the founder thing is is always weird to me because people want to be a founder for the wrong reason aids a lot of times driven by too much ego or too much ambition in other areas a number of June by like the founder is both the best title in the world and the issue is jobs right is a B. and C. they’ve somebody’s like man I I’m I’m the CEO it’s like you know like I never want to be CEO when Gorman acquired uninstaller they were like oh one more thing there like you’re not gonna be able to be seen as a off the gods right like I was like it really that’s awesome but it for me it’s not about being a founder as much as it is about building a team and that kind of independence that you have we starting your own thing and decisions you can make in the risk you can take and figure out where your level of risk is you know how do you mitigate things that you can’t control how do you manage it like I like that whole thing in my team right now is over the Fairmont hotel doing things that most founders would never let our trust their team to do and their they’re gonna do a great job right I mean completely I try to hire people that are smarter than me you know but you know founders the best title in the world I love it whenever I was at candy man we’re trying to figure out who’s gonna be CEO and as I I don’t really give a shit because I think the founders greatest title ever but you know it’s not something that I that I think about it’s kind of a a lifestyle more than a label sure sure was there going from a quote unquote stable environment working for a big big corporation going to start up with their fears there is there no in the end there should have been because like I said when I got out of that I was like why did I quit that job I should have it ten o’clock Dillinger eleven thirty I left at three and they’ve hit me all this money and I basically just got to experiment with technologies like now I have to wake up at six AM and you know and and work till two AM and things are horrible so you know if you remember right start ups for people listening are always immunity faces are struggling or they’re out of business your lights and so as of you know I learned over the years like can embrace that struggle and really get used to it but you know the the eight it’s been a I mean it’s been a very interesting journey I think the two things that most founders never talk about there’s talk about like our this great idea you know I mean I I talked on the phone is all the time and I I it in not everybody’s way but you know we all know the people that have the attitude in kind of the ego about you know like I’m great that’s why it works you know we’re the best or whatever and my attitude was you know I’ve been incredibly lucky and I have an incredibly incredibly good timing and I don’t ever discredit that you know like it I would rather have luck and timing is a founder than any amount of skill or money or anything because we all know those businesses that were brilliant ideas that end up being worth nothing or everybody had to go find a job because they didn’t work because you know they ran out of money and it wasn’t you know maybe the market wasn’t ready you know maybe there was an established technology to with the case may be silicon timing there like the two biggest things for me and just you know again it’s all it’s it’s I approach it differently and recently because you know I’ve had a couple of really good exits I’ve had a number of investments that I made that of all exited so you know a lot of people in like all there’s a secret skill there and there is and I’ll share this secret with everybody only do shit you know you’re gonna kick ass at like if you’re you know so it’s not that I’m he is not that I’m great at everything it’s at I don’t do things I knew I’m gonna suck at like if you’re like Hey reject yesterday you know chemical company right now I’d be like well probably not you know but you know everybody is like I don’t know is our money in that maybe I will and I just never done that so I think it’s if the manager but the expectations I mean the problem is the expectations get higher and higher and I’m just hoping that that luck continues in that and that that timing is right you know because it some point it’s not gonna be and see like all worries had a big failure you know see like a

well you know I really like you looking at all the things that you’ve done the diversity serve the yeah like Celtic moon and and we we watch these videos history of these awesome skateboarder to its fifth that’s all it into the local stuff at the diversity stuff is you know top of mind and then you go on the summer which is different and something a plea the retirement accounts with I’ve got I’ve got a background with management that’s totally boring some of the other cool stuff that you’ve done so when my first order going on the founder path was it the product was just a couple years ago will you know every time it’s different with cat I mean it was a company with honest all it was a product with strange works it’s a product in the company you know what I mean by that is like we’re services business accounting man so you try to build a company in a branding the people come in trust and spend money with you with with uninstaller it was like we want to put a hand in the product people don’t have access to certain financial instruments who don’t have the knowledge and nobody’s taken the time to to to mentoring and teach them on and and it was very product focus it wasn’t much about trying to build a brand or build accompanied six seven people whatever is like how many people’s lives can you touching can effect and it was strange works it’s it’s a combination of those and a realization and I think founders often make the mistake of not knowing who they are the reading magazine which is like a romance novel for business there and right as I I know people in like every magazine I’m like that is not at all how that happened it was like revisionist history but I realized I thought I wanted to be the hero that it on a smaller right I’m ago help all these people with without means improve their life is a that’s going to energize me week of everyday discount at noon let’s face it was I mean anybody that was it was a company for fun and profit right and it was a lot of fun and there was a we were profit than he will ever know I love the video of the the Jerome taser yeah yeah yeah of that actually works is strange works now yeah Jackson she and so he actually was supposed to come over with us I’m glad he didn’t because he really does not like that media a probably because he was teased by doing exactly the you know so so honest you know can’t man is fun and profit it was like let’s do a business then you fast forward to uninstaller there’s like it’s a company with the social purpose and we’re still gonna meet many would do all this we can do this good in the world and and I had this car hero idea are we strange works what I realized is I’m never going to be the hero and I probably shouldn’t be so strange was the approaches quantum computing is coming there’s this new technology that can do all these revolution things can I be the catalyst can I build tools for a hundred thousand a hundred thousand a million a hundred million people out there who could be heroes if they only had access to this and somebody made understandable stuff so you know instead of building a company brand like Kay I’m in a building a product like you know honest dollar strangers kind of amalgam of all of the things over my career because like I want to build a strong brand on bills on company of the social purpose eccentric center but but I also realize it I’d rather be it under the manufacturer heroes then be one myself

I like that I have questions and I wanted to start it’s a strange worse but before that I won’t have questions regarding timing and the this is your third endeavor one was from assesses bottoming comes as well on Stoller what happened to of first was also a century was but about with those simple G. planners comes along no there’s no waiting I mean that’s it that is an amazing question because I’ve done yeah most of the interviews I do really technical stuff and I’ve done a few of these kind of founding things not many and I’m always like why would you have me here but you know that’s a that’s an amazing question because the thing everybody asks me when I do one of these there’s audience or whatever is like all how do you plan for an exit I this is like you don’t right if somebody comes to me for investment and they’re like and this is these are people we could exit to its like I already am literally marking them off the list because you don’t plan for ascension of I can’t you tell planned for Goldman Sachs I mean gonna sexpot honest on the year anniversary of sounding in the company we can the plan if I could play in that then I would be like I have a new business called genius bring your ideas using you bring your idea to me and I sell your ass down the river for a big profit I mean if I can do that all the time to be amazing there was no plan I mean the the the way that transaction came about was completely random I had nine exits in one year including the Catman that was twenty twenty sixteen and I’d started March on US dollar and a wealth manager name Allison roads came down from Dallas was like he should be a Goldman Sachs client you’ve reached that you know whatever magic thing that since his wealth managers on either and I was like destroying finance mind controls people to do their own little isn’t she with that she is like I have no idea what they’re doing we should really check that out and the the conversation started with us saying you know maybe the be a good a person to get funding from because it acted right IBM that’s like the financial brand and you know we I mean this stories in a very public with we did interview when we first did with them you know and we’re find back now they call this a look and we’re gonna pass on investing in the company as a problem you know whatever click and then a a call back as a couple I was not it was not easy we just like that by the whole thing and I mean we spent an hour in the Chiles in the in the Dallas live there for it sit there drinking a Margarita stand each other in a movie at the actual you know like Hey let’s sort of next year’s conversation it’s like the we plan for that in a can’t plan for exit you can’t plan process you can build your business every day you build your business be successful every day you can try to manufacture happy customers right and then all of that other stuff comes right but everybody is this like weird dream they’re gonna get a convertible note from budget funders area here in Austin and then like magic seen happen and then they sell and it’s like that is not how that was like the underwear gnomes on South Park resemble most of the you know a big number of which the founders that I that I talked to a girl like step one still underpants step two question mark step three profit and it’s like it’s like right but step two looks really important as question mark yeah you have to just build a business you have to walk the walk in and talk the talk

the the thing I really appreciate that about the is that so many people begin with the end in mind as I was ready so resort I’ve sent it in and I gather from you is like I was gonna do it and take it you know how well the thing is like if you doing something exciting like everybody’s like hours into the stuff we’re gonna go begins as big corporation right let’s say you’re watching TV nothing and try to crush is out it’s like no there’s a there’s a ecosystem right somebody leaves a big corporation goes out in the area they start building a company he gets traction starts getting advanced it gets acquired by the corporation and then rinse washing repeat the whole process again the the the large corporations are your friend that you know me you know you can’t be talking about you wanna get acquired the talk about how shitty they are at the same time right so easy that planning for the end really really bugs me that getting strategic money bugs me because the founder right that’s a way for a corporation to get into your early enough to have access to buy you cheaper so they they already have an interested they wanted messages not take their investment go build your company and would then then there’s your acquisition right how did you feel about that whenever I mean obviously other than excitement like somebody wants to buy us there’s a certain amount of heart to goes into a company that you put in or do you see it as it’s just a transaction happens like a here’s the deal I think everybody is full of shit when it comes to this could you can’t tell me how you’re building a company to change the world and you you really care about anything else within you know you’re you’re already buying the Ferrari ahead at whatever rate we’re entrepreneurs with building companies two they’re all entrepreneurship endeavors our lifestyle businesses and so it matters your lifestyle and your lifestyle as you want to do some good in the world you wanna get paid for it within your company mayor that if it’s like you just wanna get paid the new company made that if it’s we just wanted to get the world your company will matter that and then you will have a company in like nine to fourteen months or whatever but but the thing is is like for me people people can use when I’m playing hard into building something that doesn’t mean that selling is like somehow like all the candy was a little bit that way for me when I left it was like that that was my baby I was very close the person on the brand it was like in the divorce it was it was a rough okay metal in the year that somebody will be considered a baby it was at that leaving having it was like a like a really bad divorce within right as you got divorced like use never can other was killed in a plane crash in the ocean and there’s not even be able be if you know because nobody leaves or with honest dollar he was different because honest all it was like I’m trying to build a baby that’s going to go up to change the world and Goldman Sachs said we would like to sponsor that baby in sin and Yale and Harvard and all and fly around the world read it was like amazing like that was incredible so there is the each one is different the the heart stays in there but it all depends on you know are you staying at the company is a company in the state to do your vision like I mean I’m I don’t mind publicly sand I hate what is injured in Florida and then they can I mean I hate what my partners you know where I just don’t like we ended up at all right and and that made it even even worse with honest dollar I’m it is the amazing part Gorman is an incredible job of we do deal with into it that they just did where you know it’s like thirty million into it TurboTax customers have access to the product and they’re growing in they’ve built a tech team in New York rounded put on the platform eighty great with us off you know it’s like my vision kind of lives on and so like I feel really really good about that you know strange works who knows tho

Tell us about staraworks I want to learn more about it so we focus on quantum computing so it’s all theoretical and contributors kind of exists but not really and it’s about as risky thing you could do so you know why not base a whole company on it for those that don’t know what what is quantum computing exactly it’s using the principles of quantum mechanics and atomic particles to to build a computer so the the you know the short version is your phone has about three billion process transistors in the processor and the really really small like ten animators and viruses like twenty to forty four hundred nanometers to put it in perspective and so if we get too small we get near the world economy can X. and maybe you can’t stop a signal or impede it so you can’t make a one or zero maybe everything just breaks down and that’s the doomsday approach that I don’t personally subscribe to on the more positive approach we can keep building bigger and bigger date data centers and keep billing chips and so they can but we’re fillings mass amounts of data we’re doing all these things that require this mass computation that classical computers struggle some of it right so quantum computers a kind of an answer to that I’m gonna give it is a good one cat videos on the internet faster stuff like that they’ll be very very specific tasks probably in finance and energy in pharma and places like that in that that they’re applied to why well why would I want to go what are you from yeah from from fintech to obviously have a trick I can assure that we no I I have a so called every business I’ve done and every endeavor I’ve done have all been is steeped in system theory and kind of system management so even the cat at noon and honest an honest all look different they’re identical in my head you can also and strangers are identical in my head the this it’s like I’m think of starting a company like writing a book right so the content is different the context is different but the core is the same you know it’s gonna be printed on paper and available on audio and scan the book are you know all of these components about the company and so I’ve got my my one trick that I can apply and applying in a different area I think is great for me because the more areas I complied and and be successful you know what whatever academy no one would have ever given us any money right and then uninstall it was like a lot of stuff may be you know and finding strange works was infinitely easier one of those and then a five year from mobile to fight fintech to like super high end computing then if by except it was like it’s gonna be breeding frogs like people want to be like sounds fucking stupid but they’re going to be like I mean I don’t know because all the other stuff didn’t get it yeah some got together either right so for me it’s it for me it’s it’s about that it is a system model but it’s also more important is the founder it’s about personal growth but why would I be like what you see people like the defendant on the sole that they do another fintech company you are definitely only doing that no matter what you say to make the money here like I’m right in this I would do it again for me I don’t I don’t want to do the same company twice I want to see the same movie the a two or three times what I would do new exciting stuff so it’s always about finding something this is new and exciting

as far as personal growth and and timing goes you got into the tax base early I mean what we all consider early nineteen ninety four right has it always been tech yeah it’s mostly always been tech and for what reason were you when you were a kid were used infatuated with no I I just I I mean I I was gonna be a musician that was the deal and that was the deal and then I got a bad accident and the band moved on without me to take the insurance money to build the did a recording studio and that was the end do a little concert working in there and that’s what got my job at apple and then I I just realize that there’s this there’s this dividing tag between the people who understand the technology and the people who use it and in every business a start I try very hard to bridge that divide right producers and consumers right and if you can if you can live on both sides of that equation the E. you can build some really really cool business I have a random thought a random question nothing to do with what this is I don’t think maybe of a I thought on that I don’t think you can have a without quantum computing so I’m super excited about one can be just coming in I’m not scared of a I don’t like the killer robot example although the the fact is every there’s a bungee these killer about example like L. takeover in what everybody thinks like that iRobot at the whatever look we stock a good power sources and good energy sources of Boston dynamics you know killer robots and see the conspiracy there’s talk about on their powered by diesel like I’ll just hide and wait for it to run out of gas and I’ll just tear it apart and build something new the real fear of A. I. and I think the thing that really pushes people like you on my skin others to be you know coverages is everything’s connected on the internet says like killer robots you to worry about it’s a killer internet bots they say oh that’s crass financial system over to the you know the horrible things that happen but I also again I don’t understand why lately we’re so negative on technology our stand what everybody is it’s you know quantum computers will break a Christian the being of privacy wait when if we ever had security is a stable system where we didn’t have to advance it threaten remediation advance you know and threats get bigger and remediation gets better and threats get bigger and you know so it’s like okay maybe a quantity breaks and Christian what about quantum encryption you know like I like on all the positive sides as far as a I I I think we’re way way way way from that I think machine learning is awesome to do cool stuff I think it’s a stupid to confuse machine learning with like some actual intelligence because it’s not you know it’s more like your code is out of control but you know I think you know it’ll happen one day and I think it’ll take us into a completely new era and I don’t think that it’ll be horrible but I do when I was young I did watch two thousand one a space Odyssey had as a like I’m not gonna lie every once in awhile you can can have like thing about that like you know open the pod bay doors HAL I’m sorry Dave I can’t do that won out over the doors like that you know that that is a little clearer there yeah listen to Ilan mosque yesterday is yesterday issues on this and yeah he’s definitely thinking that’s like you know keeping people keys there’s gonna be more regulation that which I’m kind of in the in between like I you hear that you like conscious but then at that same time I’m always open to technology let’s talk about that from the founders respective right when I got into fintech is heavily regulated right now there’s talk about making some quantum computing stuff munition like encryption right so you can’t export the to certain places that regulation is the end regulation I speak to tons of congressmen and women tend to senators about this topic you are living in an age where technology so out pieces the ability for you to regulate at the taser drawn the whole reason we did that was to demonstrate that like you’re worried about drones we built a drone that can find you and tease you with a which could have also had a bomb on it it could have also had a tranquilizer gun or whatever and we bought all the parts in the internet is like how are you going to regulate this improvisation around technology as I say what do you do it with a I think what what’s a regulation look like you know yeah it’s like I hear people say that I hear him say that say okay let’s regulate ally what’s it look like still out here’s a hint let’s start with self driving cars sounds like we should regulate it I was older cars because all of us and I don’t think you’re that much I I mean I I’ve about that if you get a lot more about like wheel of the regulation affects me because that’s what we all right right that’s not you know like I would do the same thing I’m not I’m not criticizing like I would be like will you want to really going to be eating like that is different obviously writers have invested all my time and money and effort at it but the I mean how would you regulate which is a would you regulated in finance a say a I couldn’t trade

the first question my head was who smart enough to regulate it at the end of the day I think we could probably build in a I for that okay Susan it’ll things like okay so most regulations come from senators and Congress all the mountains the Houston on CFCs Berlin office in battle with the source if people world and then having them regularly yeah the lady I met with most of them and I’ll tell you this our members of of of you know the house and Senate are smarter than people give them credit for it’s been way too much time having to raise money to keep the chops and probably have their jobs for too long right right but it it’s not it’s it’s it’s it’s so difficult and that and that and that is the defense of the the that the house and Senate only because over the last three years I’ve spent and disproportionate amount of time and you start walking in somebody else’s shoes a little bit and they’re like yeah you know what I’m now senator warily from you know Austin and there’s millions of people a note that I represent who were emailing or calling out things so like today it’s you know somebody got poison by ice cream and it was a death and do we need to fix that laws on health code and then this afternoon at cyber security and tomorrow it’s like this where the guy but this quantum thing you know it’s like a it’s it’s like that’s why I do not ever want that job but but it’s really tough and then you talk about regulating all these things it’s like somebody takes you know there’s some manufacturing process that makes a food product the kills you know the some poor person that’s easy to regular rate I mean we all of us I will offices of some process but they do that there’s an A. I. and he can think like a person that lives on the internet but how do you regulate that you know I I keep coming back to us like the a you know I mean that would be great because if you saw that regulatory issue I know a ton of people in the house and Senate that would be like your best friend and could apply that to a million other issues that are that are regulatory based vehicle

what would your advice be during back to our audience of people so the whole idea is we talked before the show matches founders for those people that or either on the couch with an idea might how do I get started or would that be that must be free for you to them that’s the toughest question I get asked when we talk about stuff like this is the you know we’re office the very we were and we’re you know we go over a gallon as we go over to capital factory when all these environments and there’s a difference there there’s there’s entrepreneurs and watch burners right there’s a difference between being a founder in Plano founder and am is true I mean we’re forcing elementary I mean in we work we’re in there and where they’re at six AM and there’s this guy you know couple people that were like there at night with this and whatever and the rest if it’s like dead site for Clark and then there’s people down have a beer at the free beer tab and then they’re gonna take those are all the people that are out of business you know my son’s twenty one he just wants to company as outlast yourself I called children’s it does diligence for start up to super quite eleven Emma I love that he’s doing it you know like I’m I’m these rings fan but you know it’s like you know the first thing I did was I pointed out all those companies to as it you have to be working thinking in a meeting twenty four hours a day my wife hates it you know my wife hates you know I’m in the tub at night and I’m like he gave me my computer lights the image is like you’re supposed to relax and it where the pool the pool party animal over in the corner you know we’re in Paris last week and I’m on my phone but it’s like business doesn’t stop ever the ideas don’t stop the progress doesn’t stop and you were you you have an infinite amount of competition and the infant amount of opportunity and I think part of the reason that I’ve been so good at the timing is it because I’m always active across every times and isn’t always up and work until you know two in the morning every night because on there then that builds a larger surface with which for the timing and luck the kind of fall on that right it’s a great with yeah his loss and yeah that was a

that was some of the best and if all that thing and all the best different people that question and that was a good good way but what it comes down to is hard work yeah well I mean I saw the people in my junk usually is purely like how are you successful and that what we do it for him aside that’s okay because I was working for you sleeping that’s my advantage do you want to tell us a little yes I’m right I’m right this is so yeah about this just because everybody’s been asking about it you guys were would would probably do the same zero extra copies hi no but I can get you guys got but we for strange works we do a cool project you ask about diversity in any ask about equals and things of this I want to come back to that for a second time and why the book is important so the eagles program is you know I was able to bring together the I. T. U. which is the international telecommunications union at the U. N. and and you and women to help women in stem and women takers and she used program it’s going great during bogged in in the team over there done an amazing job of manager from Zilli over young women and it’s great and my role was getting it started architect sing it and and providing it funding in doing some stuff and then letting the people have the talent do their job and at staying out either way right because there is like it what do you do on that site yeah I mean I talked to Doreen you know every week and I do stuff but it’s like there is a whole team of doing it right it’s like you know when you launch rockets like he’s done so great it’s like also they come is six thousand employees you know and and so they deserve a huge amount of credit for that I love being in town I’m a huge fan of theirs you know I I I I’m try to do what I can to support all these diversity efforts and so trying to take that and bring it into strange works from the very inception we will tomorrow more than likely if I can write a press release and and do all that announce our company our funding and stuff tomorrow at the same time over in in Europe in Geneva CERN will announce a partnership between chaotic moon and certain of him it’s strange works in certain see a kid they can’t even get out of my head and so what we’ve done is we’ve partnered up on taking students that wouldn’t have access to the large hadron collider that wouldn’t have access to certain that we have to end flying students for five over to certain for five weeks not only to see all the physics and work with all the amazing technology and and people that are there is is a big pile of greens over there if you ever get there but also to work on learning entrepreneurship to learning on how to be founders how to take that science knowledge and be like oh I could apply it here and so like I’ll be flying over there with the team will be given examples of it would count this interview right would you like asked me anything’s will give them some like Hey here’s things I think about when you found a company and stuff like that and of course we’ll leave quantum computing and all that physics based so it’s super easy to do that

so we wanted to a project and it was a guy named Chris fairies written a series of physics children’s books and we had this party was certain and seems kind of things together because I I’ve seen Chris picture my boy with one of his books as they all thanks rightness people probably never thank you and then we started talking and then where we ended up with a whole bunch of different iterations of the middle because that’s you know it’s like you know working on a book project I’m working on these more philanthropic efforts are it is not pivoting it’s like it is the way you do it right because you’re like Hey can you work with this person anywhere that is a lot of a compromise in in negotiation is Chris and I decided right this book called the quantum computing for babies and so and its actual drones but even though we’ve had to talk to and was on his first few people review it would like this is the worst dummies book ever is like but it’s literally says for babies are back it’s his baby university like and it says it only takes a small spark to ignite a Charles Miley it’s clearly not for adults and it also it’s made of cardboard but you know I guess will you know can never underestimate them that’s a home but this is a book on the teachers quantum computing two kids and the profits from this book do you go from my side go to strange works and we take those profits and we use those to find the program a certain and some other programs that we’re going to they were gonna be announcing and that kinda is interesting ideas can we build educational resources as a founder can build educational resources that are also marketing for the company clearly okay the also generate revenue the also you can take that revenue and apply it to doing programs at the program was sorry right so this is like really this new kind of little model I have which like we’re doing good in the world we’re educating people on what we do we’re getting a lot of credit for it and we’re able to offset the cost of doing that good by having things like this book the generate the revenue itself for the program as opposed to the company I mean to do it which you know once we’re a real company and a start up I’ll be happy to take a big percentage of money and do all kind of cool stuff but as a start up we have no money after fines and creative way to do that makes sense that’s awesome we love that that’s great concept thank you for babies well yeah for sure it’s like I want to start and then kind of maybe catch up yeah right well I know you’re busy and go you know some of the things but we really want to we want to say thank you for coming out and we’ll take Traven ma’am and I really appreciate the opportunity of it was it’s one of those things where learning from some of the stuff they’re doing it just and kind of growth indefinitely we should matter at will disclaimer I don’t know that anybody should be learning from what I’m out there doing I think Donald is on our team will shake his head me a yes or not that is not the person the land from so just you know the way that that we should with that at the maybe added that back into the beginning of the talk very possible thanks for having

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